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New Era Transition #043 – Circle Growth; Abortion; Gene Manipulation; Celestial Eugenics Program – Jul. 16, 2018
Christ Michael of Nebadon and Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager
Topics:
Christ Michael on co-creativity of Urantia
Choosing the ascendant journey
Celestial help available
Progress report for Urantia
Diving in murky waters
Assessing our personal growth in the circles
Psychic Circles and Planetary Management
Identifying others as to circle attainment
Ability to share wisdom increases
Comments on the treatise On Liberty
In the event of any large national disaster
What ‘should’ we be doing at this time?
A plea for readers to add to Jeff/Liz web site
Might undeveloped countries benefit more from birth control products?
Abortion in the case of rape
What about abortion in the case of deformed fetuses?
Medical use by CRISPR and gene splicing
Malevolent individuals who manipulate genes
Helping the Life Carriers to return to the original code
Gene splicing to replace extinct animal species
Are we about to make a quantum leap in human capabilities?
The celestial eugenics program
The Canadian sociologist, Jordon Peterson
Where else are the 7 values being taught?
Was WWII a cataclysm that triggered world population?
The growing repugnance of violence
Closing Statement
TR: Daniel Raphael, PhD
Team members present: Roxanne Andrews, Craig Carmichael, Jeff Cutler, Stéphane Labonteé and Sherille Raphael.
Invocation: Jeff
July 16, 2018
Christ Michael on co-creativity of Urantia
CHRIST MICHAEL: Good morning, this is Christ Michael and welcome to a glorious day. (Group greetings.) We are most welcome and thank you for your presence here. Without your conscious participation and intentional participation to help us co-creatively in healing this world, this work would not be done. Whether it takes a few years or a few centuries, it cannot be done even in 10,000 years if the mortals on this planet do not co-creatively, willfully and intentionally assist us in this process. You see, on this world, Machiventa has had the experience of being here as I have, and we know personally from our first accounts, presence and experience of being here that this world presents the God the Supreme with a huge mountain of wisdom to be gathered for the ascendant journey by willfully and positively making decisions in accord with God’s Will for each individual.
Choosing the ascendant journey
And those individuals who do not choose to attend the ascendant journey, or who repudiate God, nonetheless many people provide wonderful additions of wisdom and knowledge to God the Supreme. Every opportunity is given to everyone, those who believe and those who do not, and even those who repudiate our existence we assist them to make right decisions to follow their will to do God’s Will. This oneness of character of the Thought Adjusters within all of you binds us all together.
Celestial help available
Your planet now is on a coordinated and concerted effort by Thought Adjusters and the Celestial Realms and Angelic Realms to bring this world into peace and harmony. As you have learned so well and so thoroughly that life is all about making decisions. No decisions, no growth! It is important that people grow, and in order to grow and improve your quality of life, you must make decisions, you must engage the process of living your life as a mortal and as a budding spiritual being on this world to ascend into your next many lifetimes. Albeit Nebadonia and I embrace each of you and all of you, one and altogether with our presence here among you, and we have the wisdom to assist you whenever you call upon us to access our wisdom, we will readily share that with you for our wisdom is the wisdom of light, our wisdom is the wisdom of goodness, of oneness, of wholeness and completion. That is the intention of the Days of Light and Life for the whole universe, and eventuality that will surely come into being.
Progress report for Urantia
As a progress report, we have made wonderful inroads into many smaller communities around your world. Many of those people, even ordinary individuals by the millions and billions are becoming aware that something is not quite right around them, that there is something more, and they are developing a hunger for messages and for values and words and guidance and leadership that brings them into the direction that they feel in their heart must be true, of peace, of oneness and wholeness. People yearn for that, and so these basic urges in human motivation have been augmented in all of you. Those who have chosen to do wrong and to be in self-separation from all others also are given this, and so you see a huge difference between those of light and those of darkness, those who choose to support goodness and peace with others and those who destroy it and cause a fracture in your societies and in your lives.
As your Creator and one-time Planetary Prince, now standing beside Machiventa Melchizedek, Nebadonia and I wish you good day. (Group: Thank you, Christ Michael!)
Diving in murky waters
MACHIVENTA: This is Machiventa Melchizedek and I am privileged to follow our Creator. Christ Michael is my Creator and my brother, as he is your brother/Father Creator as well. We thank him for his presence here today. You can trust in what he has said that there is a dedicated concerted effort to bring your world into light. You are now much like divers working in a murky river that you can forge ahead, but you do not see very far ahead of you to know what is coming, or what is developing. These waters of darkness in your world are being brought into lightness and they will become still at one time. As one of your sage and wise individuals [Alan Watts] says, “The way to clear up muddy water is to leave it alone,” and so this is a truth that by not stirring up the animosity of others, then peace will come about, and peace first of all must come about within you. Peace and stillness are essential to the development of the inner mind and personality and the bonding between you and your Thought Adjuster. This peace comes from your intrapersonal relationships, your inner dialog that you can monitor all through your life, but now to become conscious of what you are saying about yourself.
I will step aside now and wait for your questions, as you have perhaps many that remain to be answered.
Assessing our personal growth in the circles
Stéphane: My question is about personal progress, and yes, the best way to clear muddy water is to leave it alone, but assessing ourselves in our growth, we have been told about the circles. Can you expand on the significance of these in our progress and also in respect to Planetary Management?
MACHIVENTA: The Physic Circles are not something that you can consciously leap from one ring of the circle to another. It is done by your unconscious awareness of them and striving to do good, to improve who you are, what you are and how you engage your life with others. It is finding the path of “what works” and “what does not work” to aid that progress. As I said in my introductory statement, your inner dialog is your best guide to how you view yourself. If you are feeling guilty, or you worry, then you are living in the past or the future. You must live in the now in this very moment to make that progress. If you are calling yourself names and you drop something and it breaks and you call yourself a big dummy, or some other expletive, then you have work to do. One is to become at peace with yourself as you live in this moment.
This guidance is the forerunner of world peace, it is to know that you want peace, but to know that I AM peaceful, and the “I AM” is a statement of the God union within yourself and your Thought Adjuster. I AM at peace; I AM peaceful; I AM a good person; I think good thoughts, I do good deeds and I know wisdom from that which is not wisdom, and those who are a fraud in life and those are sincere.
Please state the last part of your question again, please.
Psychic Circles and Planetary Management
Stéphane: The significance of the Psychic Circles of achievements in Planetary Management.
MACHIVENTA: To be a Planetary Manager means not that you are taking the place of the Planetary Manager, but you as a citizen of the planet, as an individual, see yourself as contributing to the world. As you progress through the Psychic Circles you realize that you are one among many, and that others are similar as you are. Many have the same urges and motivations for life as you have, and as you progress in your Psychic Circles, you become more centered—no pun intended—that you become centered in the thought of being in union with your Thought Adjuster and are a contributor to the planet. Those who are not progressing along the Psychic Circles could be called leeches or parasites on your planet, both for the produce of the world materially and energetically.
They do not work for the good of the whole planet and they work against it, thus retarding social evolution and the world. As one progresses through these 7 Psychic Circles, you realize that you are one part of a whole, which encompasses the whole universe, and that you take on the role and the thoughts and attitudes and decisions of the Planetary Manager to make contributions to your life and to prepare your children for similar paths early in their lives. As you move toward the center of the Psychic Circles, your consciousness expands.
Identifying others as to circle attainment
Stéphane: Just as a follow-up, as we work in this concept of Planetary Management and a contribution thereof, then is it likely possible that we can identify others that are not at the same level as we are, likely above or below the circles that we currently are at. Would that be a true statement?
MACHIVENTA: Yes. One of the attributes of a Planetary Manager is observation: one is self-observation, not for condemnation, but as a learning process; and as an observer of others, not as a process to condemn them, but to observe them and to see the wisdom that they have in their life that you can use for yourself, and the wisdom you have gained to share with them. Some people are not open to share their wisdom; some people who are regressive in their spiritual development do have wisdom that can be useful if you interpret it in positive ways. The important aspect besides observation is discernment; to discern yourself and discern others is a means for gaining immense wisdom in a short period of time. An individual who has self-interest at heart would see others and observe them and discern that they are superior to them and would condemn them. The person who is ascending in the circles sees others as their brothers and sisters along in the struggle in life to get through this lifetime. As you move in the circles you become more Christ-like and patient and tolerant and good and kind. You are able to make wise decisions because they benefit everyone.
Ability to share wisdom increases
Stéphane: Does the ability to share wisdom increase as you progress through the circles? Or is the sharing not required?
MACHIVENTA: The sharing is a process of service. You know and I know that when you are teaching and sharing with others who are not open to be led, or to listen and to learn, then they will learn nothing. It is very true that when the students are ready, a teacher arrives, and there are many people now who are hungry for goodness and right decision-making for the good of themselves, their families, their communities and their nation and societies. Does this suffice?
Stéphane: Thank you, yes.
Comments on the treatise On Liberty
Jeff: We are using in our syllabus the treatise On Liberty by John Stewart Mill. And in that treatise, and I quote “That the only purpose for which power can be rightly exercised over any member of a civilized community against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral is not a sufficient warrant, over himself; over his body and mind, the individual is sovereign.” With this statement as prelude, what is my right to pursue the 7 core values for my personal growth, and do I have a right to object to someone who is abusing that right with antisocial behavior or the overconsumption of finite resources that are essential to me, and if so, is there a just recourse available to me?
MACHIVENTA: I request of you, now having stated all of that, to break your multiple questions into separate questions, please.
Jeff: Do I have a personal right as a human on this planet to pursue the 7 core values for my personal growth?
MACHIVENTA: Yes, you do, and you are advised to do so.
Jeff: Do I have a right to object to someone who is abusing that right with antisocial behavior or a behavior that is consuming resources that are essential to me?
MACHIVENTA: Let me answer the first part of that question, please. In the first part, you have a right to object, but how you object must meet the moral standards of those 7 values. You must be able to discern when the morality of the situation requires you to interfere directly and physically, and [when to] use the ethics involved to know when to keep your mouth shut and your hands in your pockets. The ethics of the 7 values gives you guidance in how to react to those situations. As a potential Planetary Manager, you become a thinking individual to assess situations that are unfolding. Yes, you have a right, but how you exercise that right is another situation. I would suggest you develop 2 or 3 more questions concerning this.
In the event of any large national disaster
Jeff: Okay. I’m going to need some time to do that. I have 2 other questions that came out of the last meeting: you mentioned in NET #42 the practice of sending the elderly out on an ice floe with no parka to make room in the igloo. With all of these IOUs via political promises for future benefits and all of the overconsumption brought forward with the encouragement of mountains of personal and government debt, are we not close to the point of pushing people out on the ice—figuratively—in the event of any large national disaster?
MACHIVENTA: Yes, most definitely and it has already begun.
What ‘should’ we be doing at this time?
Jeff: Is there something that we should be doing about that with our model? Are we just plugging along with the model and waiting our time until it is picked up, or do we need to be more proactive at this time.
MACHIVENTA: Explain for the readers what you mean by model.
Jeff: The 7 core values decision model that we are trying to have people put into place for every day decisions for their lives and the lives of their families and organizations, and hopefully at some point, governments.
MACHIVENTA: My team and I have a difficult time with the word “should.” It is a difficult word for us because we live in the present and you live in the present, and “should” is projecting an expectation onto other people. We do not do that; it is not part of the celestial teaching model for the work that we do. We accept our students as they are, where they are and we strive to feed them in a way that they become hungry and curious and want to actually invade our teaching manuals to know everything about their lives and how to live it so that they arrive in the future in that peace and stability. Yes, you can do a lot more; you “could” do a lot more. We are not saying, my dear friend, Jeff, that you “should” do a lot more. That is your decision. We do not project those expectations on you but offer you opportunities under the word “could” that give you the options about what you “could” do to support that work.
When you begin developing web sites and teaching materials that introduce these concepts of the 7 values and how that repercusses individually and in the family and socially, you have begun a road of teaching the public; you have begun to pique the interest of those who are curious. And unfortunately, you live in a society where very, very few people are curious about life and how to develop the goodness around them into peace and personal, social stability. There is much you can do and if we were to give you further guidance about your web site, we suggest that you develop your material in a way that does pique an individual’s curiosity to want to know more. That is a skill of writing and marketing that is remarkable in itself for the typical human psyche.
As we survey this small group of NOCO (Northern Colorado) people on this team, we find no one who “should” be doing more. You are doing as much as you can do. You have fulfilled many expectations for yourselves that you never thought you ever would 5 years ago. You are at a place now where you have grown and matured and you are evolving spiritually and connecting that spiritual evolution into your social realm. This is marvelous; we could not expect or ask you to do more. You have begun to act in your lives in ways that are productive; and you are not proselytizing this material; you are laying wonderful traps of goodness to entice people to this light and love that Christ Michael first shared as Jesus.
A plea for readers to add to Jeff/Liz web site
Jeff: To add to that, may I make a shameless plug to the readers of these papers to say that they are invited by us by all means to submit things that they think would be appropriate for the web site. in**@7c*********.org
MACHIVENTA: Certainly. Yes, you are welcome to do that as you have just done. And also remember that you are (Laughing)… [This is Daniel: Machiventa appreciates your very subtle and adroit venture.] … yes, and you would be remiss if you did not ask others directly for the wisdom that you wish to share in your site, if you understand what I mean.
Jeff: I think I do. Thank you very much.
Might undeveloped countries benefit more from birth control products?
Craig: Thanks for taking all our nagging questions. I thought readers might be wondering about 3 things that stem from our last conversation, and the first one is: Might developed countries—apparently we send food and other aid to some of the undeveloped countries—might we get more mileage, do more favors for everybody if we were sending them birth control products so that people weren’t having unwanted children?
MACHIVENTA: My team behind me is clapping in appreciation of your suggestion. You are very right that whatever efforts that pursue a population management strategy do so in a way that is not viewed as colonialism or to maintain the superiority of the donor countries. Do you understand?
Craig: Yes, it has to be an offering, not a sort of “pushing on.”
MACHIVENTA: Exactly, thank you.
Abortion in the case of rape
Craig: The second one I think readers might want to know is Roxie brought up abortion and you said it raises many problems, which of course it does. I was thinking about the case specifically of where a sexual predator rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant. I suppose that might be a good place for a morning after pill, but what if a woman does find she’s pregnant from a rapist. There seems to be distress on all sorts of levels from the woman’s personal point of view and society’s point of view. I’m not sure we want to perpetuate the genes of people with that kind of tendency, and of course a child who isn’t wanted and may not be loved once it arrives. I’d better stop there. The question is, does that make a different case for abortion than the general case?
MACHIVENTA: Yes, it certainly does, and in that case abortion is warranted. It is from the perspective of us; it is not immoral to do that. To maintain the child against the will of the mother would be the perpetuation of the immorality and violence of the act of rape, and yes, there would be lifetime moral and ethical and personality repercussions in the lives of everyone concerned who knew about that incident, and for that child. All efforts of life by humans must be oriented toward good; evil acts have repercussions, which we hope you will ameliorate or dissolve in ways that are peaceful. The ways of conducting an abortion as that is a welcome event for everyone, a moral relief for those who are involved when it is conducted as early as possible.
What about abortion in the case of deformed fetuses?
Craig: Thank you and the last question is very similar: It’s what happens when tests show that the fetus is going to be born severely deformed or handicapped or with some sort of genetic disease. I imagine the same thing would apply?
MACHIVENTA: Yes, it would apply, but the overriding act of compassion is to know ahead of time, or at least during the early phase of pregnancy whether the child will grow into a moral being. In other words, one who is capable of receiving a Thought Adjuster. When the infant is born as an imbecile or does not have the capacity to eventually make moral decisions, then you are really addressing the aspect of a non-human, one who would not have the capability of making moral decisions. Do you understand this? (Craig: Yes.) Let me comment further. As your medical practices are still quite primitive there is still much exploration going on to identify those gene structures which cause disabilities in the next generation.
You will find that eventually most everyone in a developed country will be given the opportunity to have their genetic structures analyzed and that in doing so to identify those gene structures which would cause the next generation to be disabled. When it comes to genetic manipulation, the ideal is to return the gene structure to its original genetic code—much like software code—so that it operates properly and functionally to produce well-rounded, healthy individuals, mentally and physically. When there are errors in the code, it is moral and ethical to remove or replace them. To manipulate the gene structures in humans for any other purpose is immoral on a cosmic scale.
To seek to have some kind of eugenics program that develops a perfect race or a superior individual to play basketball or football or any other sports, or ballet, is cosmically immoral. What is desirable for all humans is that you grow from birth into being a normal individual who can experience a life and make moral decisions and actively choose to will to do God’s Will. When there are deficiencies in life that do not make a positive contribution to the growth of that individual, whether it is from nerve damage, muscle damage or skeletal damage before birth and throughout life, those factors disallow the individual from growing and expressing the full potential within themselves. Do you see the distinction between the immoral aspects of gene manipulation and that which is proactive and highly moral?
Craig: I believe so, yes. We want to have well-rounded, average individuals of improving quality in each generation; we don’t want to try and predispose them to excelling at any particular thing and not being complete in other respects.
MACHIVENTA: Good.
Medical use by CRISPR and gene splicing
Jeff: In my gathering from your comments, we as a species should look upon the medical use of CRISPR and gene splicing in human beings as creating—I don’t want to say superhuman—but someone, a person that is not quite human.
MACHIVENTA: That would be a gross immoral activity of your medical field then.
Stéphane: So there is a risk that by manipulating the genes that you end up with creating humans that have no ability to inherit the Thought Adjuster?
MACHIVENTA: This is a possibility, but the process of CRISPR, as you explain it, is very deliberate, it is very intentional, it is very conscious on the part of the technicians and scientists who do that and they would have an excellent view/perspective/understanding of what they would be creating.
Malevolent individuals who manipulate genes
So the next idea or thought is this: You and we know that there are malevolent individuals who want to have self-aggrandizement through their profession or through some other form of recognition, and there would always be those individuals who have a CRISPR process even at home, who would manipulate genes to produce something that was non-human. It is important that there be oversight in all medical facilities that use these gene manipulation technologies so that the efforts are focused on generating new generations of genetically whole individuals. That is now being done as you have begun to see, where individuals in a family know that they have a predisposition towards a particular disability, which may manifest early or later in life, and so they undergo gene manipulation of an ovum or spermatozoa so that the combined new person or child of that family does not have that predisposition. This is one of the best ways to begin the new whole generations, at least mentally and physically.
Jeff: I am inferring that the removal of an inheritable gene that is detrimental to the quality of life of people that inherit that, removal of that gene is a moral act, but the manipulation of other things to insure blue eyes, or blond hair or being tall or athletic, purely for personal aggrandizement is morally repugnant. Is that so?
Helping the Life Carriers to return to the original code
MACHIVENTA: That is correct. I want you to draw a very graphic distinction here, that when those mal-functioning genes are removed from the gametes (ovum or spermatozoa), and then those 2 cells are joined, the child that comes about will be able to access the potential that lies within them. In doing so, you are helping the Life Carriers to bring about the original code as it was given to your species long ago. This is a God given coordinated effort, whereas when mortal technicians think—make their own human personal human decisions of what they think ought to occur in a child—then you begin the slippery road into highly immoral eugenic programs.
Stéphane: Thank you for that and part of the co-creation that we have been talking about and the 7 values would apply to this, is that we join forces with the Life Carriers in a way to improve the genetic code to that intent.
MACHIVENTA: Yes, through the millennia, hundreds of millennia, the genetic code of your species has in some individual strains degenerated, and that they have mismatched sequences that when they are combined between the 2 fertilizing cells the results, though a natural process, is a process of biologic devolution, rather than evolution. So, when you make the co-creative conscious effort to not improve the species, but to correct the deficits that have come about over the millions and millions of couplings of those cells, you are really expressing the will of the Creator for the best efforts of your species.
Craig: May I ask another question? What I’m wondering now is would gene splicing and that sort of thing be necessary if our planet had followed a more normal evolutionary course, and if we had weeded out the defectives and degenerates along the way, the way it should have happened.
MACHIVENTA: We are highly reluctant to address an “if” question concerning these aspects, these topics. We deal with what is here today and what we have is you, and so we are working with the best-of-the-best here to improve your species and this planet.
Gene splicing to replace extinct animal species
Jeff: Going to a second derivative of this discussion, if someone privately said to themselves, “I live in the Midwest and I think we could sequence a gene splice from the common pigeon and reintroduce a gene that would turn this common pigeon—I can’t remember the name at the moment— into a carrier pigeon, and reintroduce that extinct life on the planet. Would that be considered a moral action, or just something that the Life Carriers should be doing?
MACHIVENTA: That does not fall within the realm of morality. That deals with non-sentient beings as a pigeon and there would be no detrimental impact for making that sequence change. Clarify if you want.
Jeff: So that means in the far distant future when we are approaching a more rational balance between the number of human beings and the number of insects and animals, that it would be possible to sequence and bring back some extinct species that added balance to the ecology of the planet. Is that a fair thing to say?
MACHIVENTA: Yes, that would be a fair statement to make. However, the wisdom of mortals, as you have witnessed yourself, is often much in arrears of the height of understanding of what those decisions may entail and what may occur afterwards. It is much like what happened when rabbits were introduced to Australia. That was a good thought at the time, but it became highly detrimental where now millions of rabbits have had to be killed over the years to protect the crops and the welfare of people. Do you have another thought concerning that?
Jeff: Rabbits would make a good export crop! (Laughter.)
Are we about to make a quantum leap in human capabilities?
Stéphane: Machiventa, I have a follow-up question that’s aligned. It seems like we are at a quantum leap in human capabilities; we are talking about modifying genetic code; we are talking about commanding celestials as per the last lessons. So it seems that if we can somehow make a leap in aligning ourselves and stop the wars and focus our energies on peaceful and benevolent activities that there would be an associated quantum leap in human capabilities. It seems we are being prepared with all the Super Hero movies that we are seeing these days with super human powers being displayed and brought to our attention, am I correct in thinking that we are on the threshold of a quantum leap in our capabilities?
MACHIVENTA: The thoughtful answer to that is “no.” The considered answer to that is that humans have already within their gene structure immense reservoirs of capacities that are unimagined to your scientists and to individuals anywhere in your world. You already have within your gene structure undisclosed, inactivated programs, sub-programs of your species which will give you super-human abilities, not especially those that are physical, but those that are mental and those that are psychic and spiritual. I must speak guardedly about this as there are secrets of Life Carriers in their laboratories that we are not allowed to share with mortals of the realm.
Another part of the answer is yes, you are already seeing this within the last and current generations of children. Those children who are exposed to learning situations and exposed to much stimulation of a positive nature early in their lifetimes—and when I say “stimulated” by many forms, I mean social activities, reading, mathematics, music, arts, history, philosophy, ethics, morality and to discuss those things early on. We have seen children as early as 4 years old and 5 years old who are able to discuss in simple terms ethics and morality with much clarity, and to ask questions of adults that are stunning to those adults. You have a generation of these children who are now present. They will become, with opportunities and right guidance by their parents, the wonderful Doctors of Philosophy, those Ethicists and Moralists who can guide and develop and mature your social processes.
The celestial eugenics program
These as you are seeing are already active in the gene structure of individuals. There have been many changes in the social predispositions and maturity of individuals as in the last century. You have gone from the simple horse and buggy era of the early 1900s, now into the current era. Almost all of the major innovations that have occurred of significance to the maturation of your planet and social evolution have not been connected to technological innovation, but have been due to the arts, whether it is writing or painting or some generation of intellectual development. Technical innovations are simply making a better flint hammer and a flint knife to do your work around the world.
What we are seeking now, that we augment and support, and are actively involved in is developing these next 2 generations of children. This began over 30 years ago and continues. We are guiding the unions of young people, males and females, to join together to have this new generation of children. This has been our “eugenics program” of the celestials that yes we are involved in bringing people together for the highest good and evolution of your planet. We do not see rapid change in your planetary structure of social evolution, whether it involves your social institutions, your political institutions or economic institutions, or other agents of human activity on a short-term scale. We deal in generations of people; we see children as the best capable of healing your world to come.
As This One just read today, a quote from Frederick Douglass, “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.” [Douglass was born an estate slave who became a very intelligent individual, lecturer and author.] Your world will be healed by good parents doing good deeds and raising their children to be honorable, moral, ethical individuals with a social conscience, and who has a conscious intention to do the same with their own children. This is how your world will become whole and one. The structure of the holism of social sustainability requires that all social institutions and processes use the same value system to make decisions. Making those decisions and using those values will automatically bring about an evolved social and spiritually evolved world. Now you know what we have been working on for the last many, many years, that it is important to change the decision-making process, and that can only be done by infusing decisions with moral and ethical decision-making based on those 7 values that are innate to each human being.
The Canadian sociologist, Jordon Peterson
Jeff: My question as an add-on or part of this thread of discussion is—I think it is almost fair to say a phenomenon—of this Canadian Sociologist, Jordan Peterson, who is attracting very large crowds of young people, who is being attacked by the political far left for his unequivocal stating that moral relativism does not work, and that there are solid moral and ethical values. He does not use the 7 core values, but he comes very close. Is this a fruit of your efforts that so many young people are rejecting the idea that “if it’s okay with you, it’s okay. We have to figure out what’s moral in your mind, we have to accept that it’s just the way it is.” Is this hunger for his speeches by huge audiences around the country a part of the fruit of your efforts?
MACHIVENTA: Yes. Thank you for asking that. And I’ll expand on that, and that moral relativism is abhorrent to us. The way through that, not around it but through it, is to recognize the values that are consistent, honest and have been persistent for over 200,000 years in your species to assist the survival of your species. Those values provide a concrete bedrock stratum of consciousness that encircles the whole earth because those values are in everyone. There is no escaping into the relativism in these values in moral and ethical terms.
Where else are the 7 values being taught?
Stéphane: It seems the 7 values are, the only place I see them being revealed or discussed is in this group. Typically, such revelations of important discoveries are found in different places at the same time. Are we to expect that we will see discussions or discoveries of 7 values independently elsewhere that will come to our intention?
MACHIVENTA: The points that we see around the world that are engaged in these 7 values are already the product of our work through you. What you see around the world, particularly with the younger generation and Millennials is a hunger for morality and values that are stable, consistent and unequivocally unmoving, irrevocable and unchangeable. They understand that the older generations are now—the X, Ys and so on—are morally deficient, even though they are good people. These children are hungry for something that they can rely on that is as firm as the ground underneath their feet when they walk through town. This phenomenon is a generality that is occurring around the world. These young generations have no faith or confidence in the values of the older medias of the self-interest of those generations. They see that those are shallow and superficial and lead to individuals who make egregious decisions at the moral expense of other people.
What you are seeing is this phenomenon in Europe, it is in the United States, it is in South America, Africa, in Asia and all around the world. Decades ago, we discerned that this generational phenomenon which would be coming, and now are feeding them with the idea of these 7 values and the morality that develops out of it. What you will see if you do your research into ethics and morality is that there has never existed a stable, permanent, unified morality and ethic anywhere in history, that philosophers have always questioned how to make these decisions that are unequivocally correct; those values were not revealed until the last decade. Now it is time for us and for our mortal friends to share this information with everyone worldwide. There is no proprietary interest by us to keep these 7 values secret, or the morality that has developed out of it. It is important now to use this to bring about the world that is entering the age of social sustainability and moral decision-making.
Was WWII a cataclysm that triggered world population?
Stéphane: Thank you, and I have one last question in that the Urantia Book seems to have been coinciding with the end of the Second World War: Was the Second World War seen as a cataclysm that would trigger the world population towards a better future and it said that the Urantia Book was timed to coincide with such a cataclysm. Is that correct?
MACHIVENTA: No, we would not agree with that. World War II was certainly a cataclysm of humanity; it was the development of the egregious acts and response to the aggressors of World War I. It was one of those developments where the First World War was one foot dropping and World War II was the second foot dropping. What has changed your world immensely due to the war mechanism and industry is the development of technologies that allowed and even encouraged the growth of population by feeding the millions who otherwise would not have come into existence. Technological innovations have been more significant for the change of your world than was World War II. WWII and WWI together provided humanity with a specter of a dystopian world and that there is a need to always keep this in mind. There is a wonderful effort to never let the world forget about the Holocaust; this is one of the ultimate tragedies and cataclysms of all humanity; it was the actions by a nation of people to consciously and deliberately destroy another ethnic and religious and political group. This is something that has occurred again on a smaller scale in the subsequent decades, one which must be eliminated.
Now, to turn the page on that topic, this means that when those people act against the forward inertia of your societies, that work against the good morality of your people of individuals and whole societies, there must be a moral process for weighing that existence in the world. End of that thought.
The growing repugnance of violence
We have had tremendous discussions about morality and ethics and so on. What you have seen if you take the grand scale of the last century and all the tragedies and travesties and wonderful, beneficent things that have occurred in your world, there is one thing to glean from this whole process, is that there is a growing repugnance of violence, and a tremendous desire for peace and goodness to prevail. That is something we totally support! As one becomes more repugnant to violence and war of all sorts, you begin to realize that it has to do with self-interest, personal decision-making and political group decision-making to carry out that violence. It is again another instance of decision-making. [Break in the recording.] What you are seeing is the progression of thought, that there is repugnance to violence and war, that there is an awareness of values that underlie peace and social sustainability, and that war and violence occurs because of personal selfish decisions. As one begins to juxtapose the violence and war with those 7 values, you begin to develop a thought of morality and ethics about proper and good conduct, conduct that is in concert with those values.
When your scientists and philosophers begin to grasp the import and potential of this union, then you will begin to enter into the phase where philosophy begins to counter-balance the technologies of your world. Where the technologies of violence are physical, the technologies of peace are social, mental, and spiritual. This is developed through the development of spirituality and of philosophy. As the Urantia Book has said repeatedly, is that there is a tremendous dearth of philosophical thought that is of assistance to your world to come to grasp with many of its big problems. However, that situation has changed tremendously with the introduction of these 7 values and the unwavering morality that develops out of those 7 values.
Now we can begin to write the scenarios, the pragmatic applications of those problems in terms that ordinary individuals can understand and appreciate. We have worked with This One to develop a recent paper, which is available on that web site. It is the first pragmatic application of the 7 values and morality for a problem that has vast global repercussions in your world. The title of that paper is, “Answering the Moral and Ethical Confusion of Uninvited Migrants.” It has been applauded by friends of This One who have read his philosophical, almost academic papers over the years and have clapped and applauded that this has finally given them a practical application to understand what he was talking about.
Closing Statement
MACHIVENTA: I hope you can appreciate in my last statements about the development, the growth and the maturation of thought through technologies to values, to decision-making, to morality and now into philosophy that is in agreement with those values and morality and the spirituality that develops out of that. The philosophical questions that evolve from such contemplation will eventually end up with recognizing that there must be a purpose for human existence. You, who are believers, know this already, you accept that, affirm it and your will to do God’s Will. For the rest of humanity who needs to be convinced, they will come to realize that all reality stems from within the mind, and within the mind there exists the presence of the I AM, the fragment of God who is with you as your friend and companion and eventual fusion-mate. With that we give you great hope for your children and great-grandchildren, and in a world that might be in peace because of what you are doing today.
