2001-10-28 Politics, Planet Pollution, Genetic Engineering
– NOCO #3
– Q & A Session, mixed topics
– Oct. 28, 2001
(Old title) Rayson102801NOCO_MiscQuestions_Discl_Proj
Northern Colorado TeaM, #3
Topics: Questions & Answers
Providing answers to your questions
Skepticism about channeling & Teaching Mission
Government and reverse engineering
Decrease in population
Why does God not help us through this?
Petty political differences
Forgiveness and tolerance
Individual up stepping & genetic engineering
Cleansing the genetic pool
Current blending of the races
Cleansing the planet of pollution
TR: Daniel Raphael
October 28, 2001
RAYSON: Good afternoon, I am Rayson. It is good to be here once again with my friends in Northern Colorado. Well, as you can see, the group has begun to settle down, settle into its formation, into its membership that will constitute it into the future. We see this group as being viable, being effective, and being capable of much more in the future. You have made a good beginning; we have made a good beginning. But the reliance is mostly upon you. We are always here. We bless you and we congratulate you on your awareness. You are the mainstays for this activity, and it is for your benefit that we are here, so your presence, your discernment, your dedication to this activity is the most important part, as is your sincerity. From this point, it will grow. We do not know the time duration that it will require to grow, but we do know that it will grow. That much we know.
We have followed this group, its members as it was constituted in the reading group, and now some of you are here. We know that your interests are true, pure and long standing. And it is this that we are particularly interested in, in this group. You know of other groups throughout the nation that have come together, and after two years of training and education and lesson giving, and learning how to TR, the group disbands for one reason or another. Many groups have come this way and gone this way. But this group we foresee will be long standing; it will be here for a long duration. It is not that we project this for you, for we do not have an agenda for you, but it is what we see in the members and activities and the concerns that will come to you over the coming years.
Providing answers to your questions
You will see this group as one of your anchors, one of your places where you will feel sure, confident, and worthwhile, in a world that is unsure, uncaring and lacking confidence. Just as in centuries past, churches of various religions have provided places of haven, places of security. This will provide the same for you, but you also will carry it with you during the week, the weeks between meetings. You will have not necessarily an assurance, but you will feel that you are cared for. You will know that there are answers for you where others have none. You will know that there is a source to which you can go and ask to find those answers. And yes, sometimes those answers will come forth quickly to you, as words upon the lips of the speaker. At other times it will come through your own mind quietly. And at other times, you will live out the answer; you will see the answer lived out before you. But if you ask, the answers will be given, as the time and situation requires and is necessitated by your needs.
Skepticism about channeling and Teaching Mission
Student: I have a question. What might be the most effective way to answer those who are very skeptical about the Teaching Mission because they were told years ago that the Urantia Book was not produced through channeling and that channeling is suspect? And, therefore, they have come to believe that the matter of transmission/receiving is self-delusional, or group-delusional.
RAYSON: Then they should look to the individual lives of the members of the group to see if they are living out a delusional life. Look to the group to see how it conducts itself, if it is delusional in its content. The people you are speaking of are not so much concerned about discerning the truth, but what they feel is comfortable to believe to avoid being in fear. There is much fear in their minds about this activity and it is due to prior occasions, prior incidents, prior history of the mystical, of the Mesmer Movement at the turn of the century and before, of the mediums that occurred during that era and afterwards, where this activity got a bad name. And appropriately so, for it was misguided in many instances and the contact was with beings, that had no interest in the welfare of those that it came through, or concerned themselves to that, therefore or thereof… something…
[[Daniel laughing]]… “This is Daniel, I am having a little brief conversation …I’ll just give it to you…he says, ‘A case in point, if you are able to laugh at yourself as has been done in the immediate few seconds preceding this comment, you will see that the seriousness is not delusional.”]
Delusional thinking comes from the seriousness of an individual who takes themselves too seriously, or a group that takes themselves too seriously. Laughter is a good remedy for this; laughing at your foibles is an excellent remedy for this.’”
As for answering your question, Dear J___, there is not much I can say or give to you that will convince these people. But go on your way; use this medium for your information as you would use television or cable and weigh it, discern the truth and see whether it strikes a true chord or not. These others are perhaps unwilling to look that far, to make that way, to weigh those decisions, to discern the truth, to discern when one is more meaningful, when one is less. We have no formula for convincing those who do not believe or who do not want to believe, or those who are in fear. Yet for those who are hungry, those who are willing to risk, those who are willing to laugh at themselves, in the face that “this may not be real,” they come forward and ask questions and they listen, as you have. Listen and discern and see if there is truth. See if the lessons that have been provided through the various dozens upon dozens of groups throughout the United States, and foreign countries during the last ten or twelve years are true.
Is there an effort to persuade mortals into wrong doing, to have unproductive lives, lives which are dysfunctional, destructive; or lives that are constructive, lives that contribute to their society, to the lives of the individuals, to the growth of their souls, and to their survivability? Discern the material at hand, your hosts of today have vast stocks of material to look through, as you do at your own home to discern truth or not. It is not for you to try to convince these people, or to dissuade them from their disbelief, for that would be a waste of your time. Your time would be better invested in your own growth, learning the lessons and serving others. I hope this is not hard upon your ears, for it is not meant to be that way, but it is meant to give you a guide for dealing with this answer.
Student: Thank you.
RAYSON: You’re welcome.
Student: Thank you, Rayson. That clarifies some questions that I had.
RAYSON: Thank you.
RAYSON: In any movement that has ever developed, it is because individuals go forward to that because they want to believe it. They hear part of a message and want to hear more. They are intrigued with that; it strikes a chord within them. And what would that chord be? It would be the chord of the Spirit of Truth. In this case particularly, the Spirit of Truth. This is not a dissenting group; this is an assenting group. Assenting to the words and teachings of Michael, both as He lived His life as Jesus and in the words, in the documents of the Urantia Book, and through the documents and transmissions that you have now received through the various groups. You assent to a higher cause, you know that there is more to life than fear. There is more to life than being always cautious. Sometimes the greater reward is from risking and seeing if you are a fool or not. I would estimate that each one of you thinks you are not a fool for being here today. So you are walking towards the light, you are seeking more; you are seeking truths that ring in your life. You are seeking information that pulls your life together, makes sense of all the fragments that you see around you, a guiding philosophy, a belief system into which you can pull your life, and you will get a result that is positive.
Student: I have a question about the Disclosure Project. It has so much potential…(inaudible)…. Do you have any comments on the truth of it…(inaudible)…?
RAYSON: I am sorry G____ that your questions are so general that I am not able to provide a succinct answer. Could you be more specific and provide a sequence of questions for me please?
Student: [Explains the Disclosure Project in detail, giving history of UFOs since the 1950’s, the secrecy of classified information, reverse engineering of UFO crafts, potential of information to solve earth problems of energy production, desalinization, etc. Suggests the need for congressional hearing, but does not ask any direct questions.] (Note: most of this long discourse is inaudible on tape.)
Government and reverse engineering
Another student: Has the industrial complex reverse-engineered UFOs and their propulsion systems?
RAYSON: We decline an answer on that. There seems to be a great deal of discussion on this topic that is almost taken for granted by ourselves and yourselves that it exists. I do not know what the question is.
Student: Are there UFO’s or visitations on this planet from other cultures?
Student: Have we recovered their aircraft and built models of their propulsion systems?
RAYSON: We decline that answer.
Student: (Tape inaudible)…Paraphrased: I take it that we must keep our questions to a spiritual nature. Does any of this concern our spiritual growth?
RAYSON: That is correct. We are not here to validate whether your government has or has not used these materials to its own advantage technologically. What I am at liberty to say is that the answers you seek will be forthcoming in the developments as they occur and unfold on your planet in the next decade. I say decade and you say, “Oh my, ten years! Everything will become clear in ten years!” Yet I use the term decade in rather global terms, so do not hold that to my feet as fire. But rather think in terms that the ballpark figure or era of these developments will probably occur in that era. Your planet is undergoing a transformation of which you do not fully comprehend at this time. You speculate in the project that you mentioned, G____, that there may come assistance from other cultures to assist this planet. And that may very well occur, though I would not give answer to that either. It may well not occur as well.
Decrease in population
Yet your planet is precious in the eyes of the Nebadonian Administration of Michael. So you can be sure that though the population of this planet may undergo a tremendous shrinking, your planet will not be lost, and it will not go into decadence and to the dark era of ignorance and lack of education and intelligence. All that has been gained will not be lost.
I say these things not as fear mongering, or to scare you, or to make you feel like infants in a grown-up’s world. Yet the reality of your world and the planets that were in rebellion, is that you are all quite backwards. You live in fear, you do not know what the future may be, and all that you can see is that it may well become darker before it can become lighter. To this, I would say you have pretty good observation, that times on your planet may become very tough.
And so, you will see if you look at not specifically the global perspective, but the sector perspective of Nebadon, that this area is in need of upliftment. Your people have made decisions that we cannot turn back. Yet there are many opportunities in the future which are unaccounted for by your people, your leaders, and by individuals such as yourselves. The scenarios that can occur on your planet in the next 10-25 years, are events with or without assistance from the outside, either as mortal beings or as celestial, angelic beings of Michael’s Realm. If you take this larger perspective, you will be able to manage your acceptance and abhorrence of the events that will occur in the future.
Why does God not help us through this?
The question of why does not God help you in these times of dire need will be asked millions of times over. “Where is Jesus now?” will be asked many times, and there will be much cursing of God as well, and of all that is holy for the difficulties that are going on. Yet in no case, my dear friends, have any of the decisions made prior and hereto occurred on the part of anyone of Michael’s staff. Yes, many of the events which are occurring during this century and last century and all through the dark era that you have witnessed the last two millennia were set in stage by the defaults of earlier managers and material sons, who either did not complete their missions or defaulted in favor of their own ego, their power and their self-aggrandizement. So in that case, we can qualify that yes, these individuals were a part of Michael’s staff at one time.
But in no case during this last decade, during this last century have those evil individuals been operant on your planet to change the course of individuals’ decisions against the good of Michael’s order. And now that the adjudication is final, and these individuals are no more, there is no cause or no place to blame but the individuals who made decisions concerning this planet, even at the individual level. You, children, are wholly responsible for your conduct, for the affairs of your planet for the outcome that is now underway. Yet, I leave you not without hope, as Michael would not leave you without hope, and surely, you are not helpless, for you are not. There is much you can do, much good you can do, and of course, because of that, you are here, for yourselves, for your children, for your community and for your planet. You do make a difference.
Do you grasp this, how this project you are thinking about, cataclysms that have occurred on your planet, the mass destructions and those evil events, which are occurring on your planet now, will all come together in the future? This is truly a planet and an era made for television in its worse sense. No one, few could even write scenarios, documentaries, fiction, or horror stories to the degree that your planet is undergoing, has undergone, and will undergo. I do not say these things to shock you; I do not say these things because we want to frighten you, but to wake you up to reality of where you live. There are evil people among you, on your planet, who would injure you for reasons which are beyond your comprehension and ours. I am sure now, after this monologue of some duration, that you have questions.
Petty political differences
Student: I have a question on something I have been pondering. I receive a lot of emails from people in the Fellowship, directed to those who are officers of the Societies. There have been many back and forth kind of messages about the relationship between the Fellowship and the Foundation. And as you are well aware, there has been a good deal of conflict. Some people have been saying that it would be better for the Fellowship to just get a divorce and go on its way. But it seems to me that this is not the higher way and even though the Fellowship feels that it’s been injured by autocratic and suppressive measures on the part of the Foundation, I believe that we should leave the door open. I was impressed by my reading of something in The Center Within about discrimination is never justified. And that somehow speaks to me and leads me to seek for reconciliation. Like two brothers that have been in conflict, there should be and hopefully can be, a way of reconciliation and more fruitful working together. Can you comment on that?
RAYSON: Certainly. Was Michael ever exclusionary? Deliberately, willfully exclusionary? You needn’t answer that now, but think about that.
Student: He said whoever will, let him come.
RAYSON: Exactly. And who are the Foundation and the Fellowship to judge each other? They are not. This is a political struggle again, and it interests us not. There are many opportunities, many avenues for moving forward. The situation of the brothers is very well taken and is an excellent example. You will always be in relationship and you must look to your Father, to Michael. You are brothers whether you are the Fellowship or the Foundation. You will move ahead, you will grow individually. Somewhere these two organizations will meet. And that somewhere is inclusiveness. Just as the poor will never leave you on this planet or your nation, therefore you must address it somewhere, for the poor and the disadvantaged will arrive with you in the future anyhow. And so the Fellowship and the Foundation will arrive in the future anyway. And will they be antagonists on the Mansion Worlds? Think of that! Incredulous, isn’t it? I cannot think of that! Brothers of the same faith, opposed to each other in Michael’s realm so immediately! It’s ludicrous!
It is so tiring to see your petty political differences taken to this level. These issues are truly political—have nothing to do with spirit. Nothing to do with spiritual growth, nothing to do with addressing the needs of the individuals—Colorado or Michigan or Afghanistan! Wherever there might be a Urantia Book, someone’s going to be there saying, “Join the Fellowship,” “No, stay with the Foundation.” You will never see us do that. We address you ALL; we invite you ALL; Michael loves you ALL and wants you ALL with Him on the Mansion World without division. Yet, you will see individuals in each one of these respective groups who will take vows to remain adamantly opposed to the opposition. Within a lifetime, things will change tremendously. Leaders will die, pass on; new ones will come to the fore. How will they address this? Hopefully, unselfishly, without ego, without dominance, and subjugation on their minds; one of control rather than being controlled. But it should be one of equity, equal in acceptance.
Forgiveness and tolerance
What are the virtues we are talking about? Look to your lessons from Ham and Abraham on tolerance, forgiveness, and think to the Melchizedeks and their work on planning, joint planning, moving ahead. If you are the leader of a great nation, do you not go forward to send emissaries to your enemies? For doing so reduces the risk to your own homelands. And so you must do this also, each one of your groups go forward to the next, with best intentions, sincere intentions, to go forward to resolve these issues. If you cannot resolve these issues within the context of Michael’s work as it is expressed in the Urantia Book and the Teaching Mission, and these two organizations, how else is your planet going to come to peace? Yet these are small differences indeed, compared to those issues your nation is addressing in the world today. We could say, “Get over it!” and “Be tough!” But you would not learn the lesson and there are many lessons involved here.
You are developmental, evolutionary, social creatures who have egos. Your Thought Adjusters who came here with something to do and so this is the ‘grist’ of your ‘something to do,’ this is the mill that grinds the grist, into a fine flour. And so when you break bread on Sundays, would you break it with your fellows of the Foundation, or would you exclude them? Let’s leave that for a rhetorical question. It is a sad situation to see this occur. It is not of our making, it is not of Michael’s making, it is man made. And so the solutions to you must be man made; though with options, opportunities given to you, provided to you, demonstrated to you through Michael’s missions. You are not left without recourse, but you must ask questions, you must be open to flexibility, to opportunity, to other ways of doing business. Thank you for your question.
Student: Thank you for your comments.
RAYSON: G____ and J¬¬___, were your concerns regarding this Project answered?
RAYSON: Do you think there is opportunity for me to answer them, given the restraints that I am under?
Student: Well, I can understand it, but…
Student: I very strongly have the feeling it’s not time yet, and so I’ll accept that as one of three answers to every question: “Yes,” “No,” or “It’s not time yet.”
RAYSON: Thank you for being so politically correct.
Student: I can see that the Foundation/Brotherhood thing has organizational…(inaudible)….
RAYSON: Yes, now that they are on equal footing, equal basis with the underlying reference of the Urantia Book, they must now give equal accord to each other, don’t you think? [It will be interesting to see how the appeal comes out.] Other thoughts, other questions, concerns?
Individual up-stepping & genetic engineering
Student: I have a question, Rayson. I am not sure whether this came across in reading transcripts of the Teaching Mission, or from something I read elsewhere, but I am interested in the area of “the Children of Light” or the “children of the Blue Light,” as perhaps being an up stepping of our biological inheritance that we missed from the Adamic Default. Is there anything you can tell us about that topic?
RAYSON: Yes, definitely. Up stepping is occurring on an individual basis. It is not on a race basis, it is not on a cultural basis, or a national basis. It is on an individual basis. Even now, you who sit here have been up stepped in your circuits, your mindal circuits, the circuits that interpose or rub against the Morontial circuits. Your own up-stepment will continue as you are able to receive it and as you free yourself, and so your up-stepment is on many levels. Yes, up- stepment is occurring, on a biologic, genetic basis on the factors that affect inheritance that is inheritable, these are occurring.
This is being done through the most gentle, least invasive processes, one which we use with the angels who aid in using the affinity of one individual for another. You are seeing new children come into the world and children who are…
[[This is Daniel…what I am seeing is at the time of conception, or shortly thereafter of a cytoblast (blastula.) At this stage these cells are being affected by this up stepping process.]]
RAYSON: This is Rayson. Daniel has a fairly good picture of this. It occurs very, very soon after conception at the first splitting of the cells. This is the time at which cells are replicated and as you know that as this cytoblast develops, the fetus is really a globe of what is now known as stem cells which can become any part of the body.
And so this up stepment is invested in every cell, gene and chromosome of the body, and this is passed along. This is …I do not have the vocabulary to explain to you what occurs, it is energetic but it is also genetic, affecting the gene structure. It is not mechanically done. I hope you will accept this minimal explanation for what is occurring. I do affirm that this process is occurring, it occurs very early in the development of the individual and carried forward. We bring together individuals with the aid of angels, and with the intent of bringing together like-minded, like-spirited, like-energetic, individuals who already have the prerequisites of forming a new being.
Always and evermore, the decision of individuals to procreate is individual and is never forced on them or in any way obligatory or developed in any way as may be conceived as being without choice. It is always with the choice of individuals. Even some very wonderful couples have not formed unions, which would have been to the advantage of your race. You will find in generations to come where each one of you will live long enough to see this occur several times in the decades ahead where individuals of enlightened nature come together and procreate children of even greater enlightenment. Individuals who procreate provide the resources of these next generations, which will become individuals who will uplift your planet.
Cleansing the genetic pool
Student: Is this upliftment being applied in our recently developed science, where we now have people who are skilled and can counsel couples regarding genetics? The ones I’ve known have also seemed wise in that they don’t tell people what to do, but they try to provide the information and encourage them to make their own choice.
RAYSON: Yes, you are on the right track. There are many social policies which are being carried out which have not been formulated by government, but by non-profit organizations and conscientious doctors and philosophers. The conscientious individuals who know that they have inherited strains of debilitating diseases, opt or are counseled not to procreate any further, and so they diminish the pool of those individuals who could provide degenerative individuals in the future. Further, your laboratories are now counseling individuals who are carrying fetuses which are injured about those situations and the mothers and fathers can chose whether to carry these children forward. If you knew that your offspring would have multiple sclerosis, would you carry them forward? If they were going to be debilitated, would not contribute to themselves, to society, nor to their own maintenance, would you carry them forward? These are questions, which must be answered by each individual, and unfortunately, the burden is mostly upon the women who carry these children. The best scenario is where individuals know of these debilitations beforehand, and opt to become sterilized before they have children with similar disabilities.
Further, there are developments in your laboratories, which are now undergoing a process of correcting genetic faults in vitro, so that when the individual is born they are without the defects of their parents. And so they are truly their parents’ child, but without the defective genes. There are many things, which are being developed, and there are more on the horizon. As your society accepts more options for living, your scientists, though they are technical in the extreme most of the time, are also pragmatic about the affects of living with defects, raising children with these horrendous defects, and the burden upon the individuals of the family as they live around individuals such as this. There are more options being given, more options being taken and used. Does this answer your question?
Student: Yes, Thank you.
Current blending of the races
Student: I have one Rayson. Is there anything being done at this time toward the planet blending the races, or will that occur after the population has shrunk?
RAYSON: This is at least a two-sided answer. One is that there is a mingling of the races already. There is also a separating of the races, not so much by race, but by where people live. There will continue to be further epidemic problems as you are seeing. AID’s is one of them that is trans-cultural and affects those individuals who live in those life styles and have chosen those behaviors. It is unfortunate when it affects those who are innocent, however. So there is not a deliberate program for genetic upliftment on the racial basis at this time.
[NOTE FROM TRANSMITOR: The remainder of the transmission came through me in a faltering manner and did not have the crisp clarity of the earlier text. My stamina was fading rapidly. So, please read the remainder of the transmission with a critical eye.]
RAYSON: Your planet is undergoing major racial shifts solely due to technology and commerce and transportation. There are too many variables now to dictate a program or a policy that would have this outcome. In any case, your planet is an experimental planet and it has had the defaults and the rebellions of the past, which make all this almost academic to answer. We are not being involved in an overt way to affect the separating of races. We are not muddling through; we are working on this. I apologize for the political nature of that answer…it sounds like I am diverting attention, but truly this is a centuries and millennial issue, rather than a decade issue.
Student: another “Not time yet?”
RAYSON: It is timely to have racial separation truly, but not timely for intervention. And in fact … that’s a difficult phrase, one that comes up in the vocabulary of your people as a matter of fact, when it is not so. It is most difficult to answer your question, as there is not, as there are so many difficulties on your planet to even possibly sort this problem out at this time. To give you a more clear answer on that, you would need to address your question to a higher level.
Cleansing the planet of pollution
Student: In terms of the Correcting Time and the cleansing of the planet, how is it possible to cleanse the ocean?
RAYSON: Cleansing of the planet? Could you be clearer about that and where that phrase came from?
Student: I thought it was from a Teaching Mission transcript, but I could be in error… about the fact that we have polluted our planet, the air, the water and the land and that in order to continue supporting populations we would need to reverse that.
RAYSON: Do you think your technologies are capable of reversing that?
Student: No, it is my understanding that our celestial friends would be helping us discover the technology that we need.
RAYSON: And this is truly going on at this time. There are many scientific/technological advances being made and breakthroughs being publicized, which will affect all of these areas in the future.
Student: I wonder if this isn’t somewhat connected to the spiritual awakening, because it seems to me that some of the spiritual leaders, at least one that I have been reading, who connects ecological understanding and appreciation along with the awe and wonder of the universe in which we live. And so it seems as people are becoming more interested and concerned with their spiritual growth, they are becoming more concerned about the health of our planet.
RAYSON: As it should be. I am sorry to cut this off at this time, but my host is tiring and you may have seen that he has already been fading. I’d like to bring this to a close. I apologize for shortening any answers, which were in the process. Is there any last thing any one would like to say?
Student: Thank you, teacher.
RAYSON: You are welcome. You will have much to contemplate and think about in the days and weeks ahead. Many things were said here to day to give you pause and thought for your future. Many issues were alluded to, many possibilities as well. Do not be frightened as you go forward in the days and weeks ahead. Be ever mindful that your creator, Michael, the Spirit of Truth and his companion, Nebadonia, are here about, as well as millions upon millions of celestial teachers, Melchizedeks and others who are guiding your planet into the days of light and life. We rely upon on your assistance individually to participate in bringing this into fruition. For it will not occur without your participation.
And know that we would never lead you into fear, but always lead you into light and openness, awareness, knowledge, and love. Be at peace during the days and weeks ahead as your world is rocked by new revelations of violence and difficulty. Know that you are cared for in the individual bosom of our creator, Michael, and that you are surrounded and loved and your very feet are placed where they will be safe until next time. You have only to release yourself to this care and love to enjoy these benefits, the sureness of living in the eternal knowledge that you are loved and cared for in truth, as you are now, on this planet, and forevermore. Good night.