1991-07-22-Lucifer Adjudication Fall 1985
Corona Del Mar #1
1Topic: Lucifer Adjudication-Fall 1985
2Group: Corona Del Mar TeaM
3.3Lucifer Rebellion, Judgment
Topic: Lucifer Adjudication-Fall 1985
Group: Corona Del Mar TeaM
[Lesson on The Paradise Trinity ]7/22/92
BERTRAND: I am Bertrand. I am your teacher. I welcome you again to our class and wish to express my joy at being here once again with my friends. . . . . The lesson this evening involves the Paradise Trinity.
Back in eternity, the Paradise Trinity came into being as the will of the Father. It is comprised of the Universal Father, the Paradise Son and the Infinite Spirit. But while it includes these individuals, it is something different. On a mortal level it is akin to the unification of three individuals for some stated purpose. The unity of those three individuals acting as one, is something more than and something different than the summation of the parts.
So it is with the Paradise Trinity. As you proceed toward the Father, your knowledge of the Paradise Trinity will expand. As a mortal of the realm, it is very difficult to see any particular outworking of this Trinity. So, at least for the time being, it must remain more or less an intellectual concept. The analogy that is put forth in The Urantia Book adequately describes how the three persons of Deity function both individually and as a unit when it talks about the reference to being a corporation. The Paradise Trinity functions on the absolute levels of reality. They function as the first Trinity.
It is projected that eventually there will be Experiential Trinity comprised of the Supreme, the Creator Sons and the Master Universe Controllers. A third Trinity will be a Trinity comprised of the Ultimates and it is conjectured that even these three Trinities may at some time in the far distant future, beyond the Grand Universe age, that they themselves will form a Trinity of undisclosed duty. This concept of trinitization of God the Father,the Son and the Spirit, while functioning individually in the universe, coming together to occupy a single entity is even difficult for my understanding. It is difficult to understand the ultimate goal of the functioning. So if your understanding level is not to your need, be patient. In time, and in this case I’m speaking of aeons, it will become clear to both you and I. I thank you for your patience with me and my presentation.
It is a difficult concept. I will now take questions.
[Your Interactions With Reality Become Supreme Revelations]7/2292
STUDENT: Good evening and welcome to you tonight. I think we’re all aware, that as finite our minds are very circumspect and extremely limited. You mentioned that as we progress in our journey Paradiseward, that our knowledge would be expanded in terms of the trinity. I was reading in The Urantia Book that as one ascends Paradise-ward, he will many times experience astonishment at successive revelations and unexpected discoveries of trinity, supremacy, and ultimacy, if not of the absoluteness. My question would be, how would this trinity of supremacy and ultimacy and absoluteness manifest itself to us as our minds expand cosmically? Would there be some type of revelation?
BERTRAND: My friend, words to not exist for which I can express how these revelations of God the Supreme is made manifest to your ascendant mind. I can say that they will be associated with your interaction, they will be revealed through your interaction with other personalities. In your ascension career, most of your experience, experience that is necessary to proceed, is gained from your inter-association, working with and working for other ascendant mortal beings. And it is through this intimate association that certain aspects of the Paradise Trinity will be revealed. That’s the best I can do.
STUDENT: Thank you. . . . .
STUDENT: Our study group, recently, in the last three months studied the trinity paper. And what I got out of it was that…let’s see if I’ve got it….the Father and Son and the Spirit when they function as the trinity it’s like they’re a corporation; but, there are times when they don’t function as that corporation even though they’re all three together, figuratively of course.
STUDENT: And they can function independently and individually also, theoretically. Like for instance, the Thought Adjuster is a function solely given of the Father, the First Source and Center.
STUDENT: We were laughing about it because we said that the trinity could go play golf as a corporation and they could be like three different cards, three different players. But, in that capacity they’d be individuals.
BERTRAND: Yes, they would be. But, if the three of them made a decree or mandate, or decided the direction for the corporation, in that case they would be acting as the trinity. If each one were making decisions about his particular department, they would be acting individually.
STUDENT: So, if they talked about the Trinity, they’d get a “write-off”, right?
STUDENT: Veronica….that’s a bad attempt at finite humor, Bertrand!!
BERTRAND: I think I understand what you mean. . . . .
STUDENT: I’m trying to come to the most simple terms in understanding this. If there was a simple way to explain the function of the Father, the Son and the Spirit, I believe I recall that the Son’s function is the expression of the Father’s personality?
BERTRAND: The Son is the perfect personality pattern.
STUDENT: The Spirit is the acting out of the Son and the Father’s will?
BERTRAND: The God of action, yes.
STUDENT: Okay. How about the Father, then?
BERTRAND: The Father is active throughout the universe in many ways. Separately, and in conjunction with either, or all of his associates of Deity. Can you be more specific?
STUDENT: No. I can’t. I guess I’m just trying to put a simple word on something that is not simple to explain.
BERTRAND: God functions within the universe individually, for instance, through the Thought Adjuster. That is a singular, one only function. The Paradise Son and the Infinite Spirit, neither are participants in that function of the Universal Father. The Son, in his functioning in the universe, is both in conjunction with the Father and individually. The Paradise Infinite Spirit functions individually and in association with both the Father and the Son. And they function as a unified entity in the form of the Paradise Trinity. Perhaps the analogy of a town mayor, or a city mayor, a city council, Chief of Police. They function individually, but occasionally, they form a unit and function as a whole. Sometimes with some level of . ….one moment……I’m sorry for the delay….proceed.
STUDENT: I have one more clarifying question about that, the concept of the town, using that as our analogy. When they are representational of the town or the city, then that is analogous to them being the Trinity. The combination of the three.
STUDENT: But, when they’re in their individual roles, they’re not. That’s not a trinity function. That’s just them.
BERTRAND: They’re just functioning in their office.
STUDENT: Yeah, in their office. . . . .
[Why The Transmission of Lessons Sometimes Need Correction]7/22/92
. . . because of the imperfectness of the transmitter-receiver human mortal, that not only I, but other teachers must use in order for this teaching mission to exist in the realms of men, errors can do occur in the information that is imparted. If the error is significant, it is corrected. If it is only a minor point, you may bring it up. Or if it is a major point, that you have on your own discovered, please inform me and we will correct. Sometimes, at the time of the imparting of the message, if there is a inconsistency or an error I will correct it. If all transmissions were absolutely perfect, you would cease to be Agondonters.
Faith, as you know, is one of the master keys to the kingdom. Having faith is essential to our mission. Some who hear these words, will not believe, but we have no power over free will choice, and it is up to them to make up their own mind, their own heart with respect to this mission. Yes, it would be possible to share my messages, but understand that because they are transmitted through a mortal of the realm, there is room for error. Is that understood? . . .
[How Teacher’s Perceive Us]7/22/92
STUDENT : . . . I have one other question. Is a person’s Thought Adjuster able to communicate with you and, if yes, is that a practice? Will you get to know me through what I say or what you observe here tonight, or is my Thought Adjuster giving you some of my thoughts?
BERTRAND: I perceive you by your words, by your spirit luminosity, and by the actions of your Thought Adjuster…all three. As far as communicating with your Thought Adjuster, sometimes, that occurs. Yes.
[Teacher Lessons Illuminate The Urantia Book]7/22/92
It is not my intent to check up on my students to see that they prepare for a lesson. It is helpful for you to investigate our topic ahead of time, in so much as it helps you to prepare questions. My lessons, I should rephrase that. My translation of lessons prepared by Machiventa Melchizedek are designed to illuminate to your minds more fully the information that is contained in The Urantia Book. Do not ever feel pressured to “study ahead”, if you will. Your participation in the class is all that is required.
Lucifer Rebellion, Judgment
[Bertrand: Lucifer Adjudication Took Place Fall of 1985]7/22/92
STUDENT: Could you tell us what the actual date of the adjudication was?
BERTRAND: I can tell you it was in the fall of 1985, generally. Because of the universe time differences, it is difficult to establish a specific date.
[We Had To Wait For A T/R and Support Group To Announce Adjudication]7/22/92
STUDENT: Was there a reason then that the announcement was held off for a few years?
BERTRAND: Yes. We were awaiting an appropriate transmitter-receiver to come on line with an appropriate support group to be able to impart that information. It was not done for any other reason.
[Celestial Artisan Assignment]7/22/92
STUDENT : I was listening to Ham’s lesson on creativity, on the Infinite Spirit and creativity, and being a person that enjoys creating, I was really excited to hear that there is the possibility on the mansion worlds of being creative there also. But, in the lesson it said to really “get on the ball” here and use your creative things. I’m curious. On the mansion worlds, are there actual morontial materials to work with like paint brushes and canvases, material for quilting, instruments for making music? Is that the kind of creativity that will take place on the mansion worlds also?
BERTRAND: You will be afforded opportunity to be assigned to numerous different creative groups of your own choosing. The celestial artisans have many, many different facets, only a few of which you are able to participate in here on Urantia. There are many creative avenues available to you on the morontia worlds that are wholly beyond your ability to conceive. But, yet, will be incredibly exciting, full of adventure, joy and personal achievement. Music, yes. Art, yes. Of all kinds. Many that you have no concept for here. And art will extend, not only within the level of pure art, but into functional areas as well, which you perhaps call kinetic art. Into areas of design. Perhaps you would enjoy an assignment with the Life Carriers, involving design and adornment of planetary creatures. So you see there many levels of expression that you have available to you.
[Exchange About Bertrand’s Morontia Appearance]7/22/92
STUDENT: Bertrand, could you physically describe yourself?
BERTRAND: My body is of morontia material. It is somewhat larger than David’s. The exact material is impossible for me to portray. I’m sorry James does not have words to describe my form, other than to say, it is similar to yours in shape.
STUDENT: Do you have hair?
BERTRAND: Yes and no.
STUDENT: . . . Do you occupy space or do you displace space?
BERTRAND: I occupy space, I do not displace it. Your body displaces.
STUDENT: Do you wear clothes?
BERTRAND: Morontia clothes, yes. I have what you would call a robe on at this time. Tied around the middle.
STUDENT: What color is it?
BERTRAND: It is light.
STUDENT: Does that mean light, light?
BERTRAND: Light as in light. Shining light.
STUDENT: Is that for embellishment or does that have to do with the temperature? Do you wear clothes for warmth at all?
BERTRAND: It is custom.
STUDENT When you travel here from the Mariposa Grove, how do you get here?
BERTRAND: I am there and then I am here. The traversal of space is not quite instantaneous, but close.
STUDENT: Do you have any need for hands and feet? Especially hands? Do you do things with your hands?
BERTRAND: I have appendages, yes. I use them, yes.
STUDENT: Do you use them to eat?
STUDENT: You told us that you have been married and had children. Do you actually remember your wife and your children? Do you remember performing your work as a civil engineer, or was this something that you looked up about yourself afterwards?
BERTRAND: Yes, I remember. It is part of my permanent knowledge. I remember, know, continue to know my children, my wife and I know of my earthy career in so much as it had universe value. Some of it I do not remember, but a great deal of it I do. Yes.
STUDENT: Was your planet farther advanced, spiritually, than ours?
BERTRAND: Only slightly ahead.
STUDENT: It had not attained light and life as yet?
BERTRAND: No. But it had not gone through a default. . . . .
STUDENT: How old were you when you died?
BERTRAND: Approximately 312 of your years. Our year was slightly longer. Therefore, in our years it was slightly less.
STUDENT: Do you know what you died of?
BERTRAND: In your terminology, it would be natural causes.
STUDENT: Bertrand, I hope you don’t find these questions too mundane. We sure find them very interesting and we certainly appreciate you answering these questions for us.
BERTRAND: I enjoy speaking of small issues and large.
[Bertrand: I Trained 1,000 Years For This Mission]7/22/92
STUDENT: How long did you train for this mission?
BERTRAND: Approximately 1,000 years.
STUDENT: Bertrand, did you arrive on the mansion worlds on Mansion World #1?
BERTRAND: Yes, one.
STUDENT: Were Andon and Fonta there to greet you or is that only people from Urantia?
BERTRAND: I know of them. I have not personally met them. They are your greeters when you arrive on the Mansion Worlds.
[Are Teaching Groups Trained Differently? Answer: Yes]7/22/92
STUDENT: Bertrand, is there a set lesson plan for all of the teaching groups or are the lessons individualized for specific groups? In other words, will we be getting a lot of the lessons that the Ham group has gotten, or are there going to be other different lessons for us?
BERTRAND: They are definitely individualized for each group, yes.
[How Do We Recognize Brotherhood?]7/28/92
BERTRAND: Our lesson this evening concerns Brotherhood. How do we recognize Brotherhood? In your daily life as you meet, work, play and enjoy the companionship of others, you are experiencing the first levels of brotherhood. As you continue your relationships over time, you begin to experience a love for your brothers and your sisters that is deeper and broader and higher than mere association. As your relationship progresses further, you begin to realize with each other that you have a common parent–that parent being the Universal Father of all. It is this realization that will begin to bring lasting peace to this strife-torn planet.
When our Sovereign, Michael of Nebadon, Jesus of Nazareth lived on your planet, he, through his teaching to man concerning God as being our Heavenly Father and that we are all indeed his sons and daughters, inaugurated a new concept of brotherhood. That concept being brotherhood predicated on a common parent. Think back to your own childhood; think back to your experience with your own brothers and sisters; think of the different relationship that you experienced with them as opposed to with your friends. You can feel it. You can feel the difference. And the difference, at that level was because of your common parent.
As you now have children of your own, each of you, your children are experiencing that same concept. The job we all have with our children is to shift ourselves aside and have our children learn that they also have a common parent with us. Our Father looks upon us as his children and if that is so, then we are indeed brothers and sisters. Think also back to your childhood; some of you may have had a brother or sister who tormented you or who you didn’t get along well with.
The same thing occurs in adult life, but it in no way lessens the fact that they are our brother or sister. This understanding of the power of this concept of brotherhood has almost magical, unifying power. When you feel that feeling of brotherhood, you understand individually how difficult it would be to experience any sort of transgression with that person. The same thing will be true of races, nations, the whole planet. You have had unfortunate mishaps placed upon you on Urantia. They can all be reversed, in the twinkling of an eye, if universal brotherhood and sisterhood was realized.
Love your brother as yourself. Practice the golden rule. Look upon your neighbor as your true sibling with the common parent, the Eternal Father. This coming week, you would do well to try an experience this feeling of brotherhood with those you meet. Try it. You will be surprised at the outcome. Michael of Nebadon is also our brother. And you, on this lowly sphere of Urantia, have that special experience of being able to call Him your brother in the flesh. Do you realize the power of that; do you realize the significance of His presence here? That is my lesson for this evening. Thank you. Are there any questions?
STUDENT: Bertrand, last week we asked you how many years it took you to prepare for this teaching, and you said “1000 years”. Was that your time, or was that earth time.
BERTRAND: Your time, yes.
See also 2001-04-11-On the Adjudication ((Included here for ease of reading and reference))
2001-04-11-On the Adjudication
- 1 Heading
- 1 Topic: On the Adjudication
- 2 Group: At Large
- 2 Facilitators
- 1 Teacher: Tomas
- 2 TR: Tiahuan
- 3 Session
- 1 Opening
- 2 Lesson
- 3 Closing
- 4 See also
Topic: On the Adjudication
Group: At Large
TOMAS: Good morning, this is Tomas, and I am happy to address the questions of any who would seek the truth. Welcome one, welcome all to the Teaching Mission.
TOMAS: You would know of the adjudication of Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia, the rebellion in general. I am forbidden to speak in great detail, but I would seek to stimulate your further investigation, which will be fully satiated in the course of your morontia career, a career which beckons even now. Do not wait, but let us proceed.
The rebellion was adjudicated, was closed only recently in your time, but scarcely ten twelve years or so earlier than the present. Yes, it was a momentous occasion, and yes, the broadcast of this closure was received on high with great acclaim and celebration, but not the extermination of the rebels. We would never applaud; we would never celebrate the choice of any for extinction. These Sons were loved by many, before they went into rebellion they were brilliant lights serving our Father and Michael and as you have read and known, Lucifer took exception, took a position of resistance and open rebellion. He envisioned a better way he thought, he envisioned a way of isolation, he envisioned a way of denial, affirming only that which he saw before him, refusing to assent to the reality of a greater universe, the reality of our Father.
In the course of his rebellion, he took many with him. I stood by watching these events unfold. I was tried as you though not from my mortal sphere, no, I was tried in the course of my own ascension, my morontia career. I contemplated Lucifer’s proposition, and I found it weak, I found it dependent upon assertion of his own claim, a claim that I observed required all of his skill, and great it was. Yes, you find persons in your world today lacking confidence but appearing to have it all the same, who would argue against what they know will be. This defiance, this refusal I saw as desperation. Yes, I too made a choice, but a choice it was, and in my case it was a choice to affirm that greater depth which I could not see, but I knew in my heart to be most true. And yes, so were many, many more who chose likewise with me and my fellows in the course of this issue, this issue of contention, this rending of so many hearts, and Michael, as you know, gave great allowance to these for there is greater wisdom of allowing the course of choice to proceed.
The case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer as you know was brought immediately, was petitioned upon the outbreak of rebellion. The wisdom and the love of our Father embedded in his system of his administration upheld the allowance for these rebels to have their course, to have a period to consider the realities, the consequences. Michael of course, proceeded with his bestowal upon your world, and for practical purposes, technically speaking he met these archrebels on their own terms and as a human even turning away his seraphic guard reliant only upon our Father who within the mortal dwells deeply, speaking quietly, inviting you steadily into the progress, the purpose of his love. Shortly after, you know the story of Michael’s life, upon its completion, his triumphant resurrection, upon the roll call of destiny, upon the acceptance of Supreme Sovereignty, upon the elevation of Nebadonia as Co-Sovereign, the case then proceeded.
These rebels were taken from their detention to face the judgement of the Ancients of Days which, as I have said before, is a revelation not to be feared but to love, to look forward to, for in this moment you see in perfection the projections of your choice affirmed over and over, concluded by your own commitment, and yes, many of these rebels were committed to their choice, many embraced the projection of extinction. Many more had begun to reconsider even before then, many, many more had begun to rethink the gift of life, a life which has its conditions, its time and place in this universe, in the larger context of eternity.
In time, this life unfolding moment by moment guided by a wisdom and love which these saw transcending the assertions of Lucifer, and so, yes, in their choice there was sorrow for having been misled, having considered and acted upon their opinion at the moment that this was worth forfeiting, this was worth refusing because of what Lucifer perceived to be its arbitrary enforcement. These saw not the arbitrariness of a capricious ruler but the gentle hand of our Father’s love, and it was their love, it was their affection which guided them through their renewal.
He would never turn any away, he loves all of his children, each and every one without respect for these choices, he overlooks these, he gladly embraces these, those who have rebelled, who have resisted, he courted even as Michael, he sought to restore. It is for this reason that time was allowed. Had this not been given, surely he would be what Lucifer accused; one indifferent, uncaring and automatic without recognition for the value of the life of the one rebelling, but such is not our Father. Our Father’s motivation, our Father’s source of action is his limitless and divine love for each, and there is grief, there is not celebration when one chooses extinction, but it is the exercise of that freedom our Father gladly gives us. He does not compel; he does not require or impose any recognition. He gives each of us the opportunity to respond as we will to the experience of his love regardless of our station, our status in the course of the heavens.
The broadcast of the termination of this case, its closure, was made shortly afterwards, after this pause, after this recognition of loss of our fellows, those that are no more. From this sadness we turned to gladness, the gladness that all the universe had now chosen, and we were now free of this quarantine, this isolation, separating a segment of Michael’s creation. And so the closure of rebellion, the case itself was the signal for broadcast of plans laid long before.
There is a tendency for mortals to consider that they are victims of this misfortune, that they suffered unnecessarily. Michael never ceased to lay plans for the restoration of his own creation, his own universe, wondrous and marvelous it is. When the news of the termination of rebellion, the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer was made through these broadcasts which are beginning to appear in your world, and some received these broadcasts even then. Yes, then was made known the plans of redemption, restoration, reconnection; of Michael’s mercy, his provision for the needs of those segregated from the rest of the life of a universe held firmly in the loyalty to that love of our Father and his Sons and Daughters.
My own opportunity, when it became known that this Teaching Mission would proceed to reach out to mortals, most of whom had grown accustomed to isolation, I joined with gladness. I was moved in my heart with the thought of my friends suffering under the burden, not knowing the truth of our Father’s love, and I, a mortal in the course of my ascension, endeavored even as I had upon the planet of my own birth to visit, to learn, to observe, to teach, to share with those whom I saw as less fortunate, and now, more and more, I see as recipients of a great opportunity, one that is the source of real drama; it is yours. I am only here to awaken you to the gift of experience that is yours in this sphere. It is rare, it is a jewel in the making, a jewel of rare and exotic color and form, and so I join with others, many of us there are, many more in waiting for this coveted position to share in this awakening with you.
In the course of your own ascension you will study the history, the details and documents of our young universe, still young and growing. There are many things beyond your imagination that you will explore, yes, you will witness the monuments of these moments even as you might as a child on a field trip visit a marker of history and ponder its meaning, ponder the struggle which ensued in that place, in that time, consider its lesson and with your friends return to your class for discussion, but you are already in class. We would prepare you for this expedition; it is one that you will enjoy.
Indeed, it shall be your heart’s desire fully received in rejoicing, but even now we would have you recognize more fully the gift of our Father within you, and as a mortal, this is your greatest gift, this is your treasure, this is your key to ascension. Use it, learn its shape and contour, learn the sound of its turning within you, allow it to unlock your own door through which your passage will begin, your adventure. All of you are close, closer than you think to this moment. You should not worry yourself with your circles of attainment, for the passage through them by your decisions in the course of your experience is brief, it is done in a relative moment of time. Proceed with confidence, we are here to assist you in learning this key, learning to allow it to turn you towards that light ever shining within you.
My friends, I will take up other questions which you have already expressed at another session. I would give this one a rest for a moment, this one who is learning to allow himself to serve as a link, as a way of passage without barriers, without the gate of exclusion. Be patient with him, be patient with yourselves, understand this process is sometimes slow. It proceeds upon your faith, and it is built by those sincere and loving connections of your heart reaching out to one another, extending our love. It is given freely. We ask you to do likewise.